Thread: Time to sell Boruc?

Originally Posted by Dusty Mac

You'd accept just £8m for Boruc?! Didn't Hearts get like £9m for Gordon, and Boruc is a much superior keeper. And do you honestly think the money would be reinvested back into the team? I don't. I also think Artur really is back to his best and has been for a while now, since putting his personal problems of last year behind him and concentrating on his game. Nah mate, difinitely wouldn't go for that idea!

Gordon was younger, on smaller wages and hadn't come off the back of a poor previous season.

Apart from Buffon (and he is a special case) the normal big money price for a keeper is around 10m. I don't think 8m is unrealistic for a keeper from the SPL, and as i said, if that 8m allows us to bring in a couple of new strikers and a centre half, with Zaluska in goals i'm pretty sure we will have a better team overall.

Everyone on here thinks that Mowbray should bring in lots of new players. In order for him to do that we have to sell some of our assets. Most of the payers that folk want out will not bring much money in so we have to sell someone good. What's the point of having a world class keeper when the players in front of him play like amateurs?

Originally Posted by Ghod

Why? :confused:

That is the financial position we are in. We have to balance the books. Mowbray has said that himself. We aren't Man City.

We need to improve and move forward, what we don't need is more downsizing.

Boruc is worth his weight in gold to us and has proven this over and over again.

He is probably our best player.

Why does a club with a turnover better than 80% of EPL clubs need to sell their best players in order to build a team?

Originally Posted by SwoopingVulture

That is the financial position we are in. We have to balance the books. Mowbray has said that himself. We aren't Man City.

Originally Posted by RK

To an extent I agree.

Artur is a WC keeper, but regardless of how fantastic he is… His influence on the game is much more limited than that of an outfield player. So in that respect I think his loss would perhaps not be felt as such as a WC striker, like Henrik.

Let’s be honest here…. there is something seriously wrong when the GK is the best player at the club.

For me Boruc is the only one who has performed consistently well during his career with Celtic. He is Celtic class. Something we have been starved of, as of late.

His detractors will look to season 2008/2009 as a basis of contrary argument… But, the three seasons previous to that he was invariably outstanding. Again, I reiterate, not just in seasonal spells, but throughout the season in its entirety.

Whilst I most certainly do not want to lose him. I feel a GK is more replaceable.

I agree entirely. I'm not slating Boruc, i'm just looking overall what would be best for the team. The pain of watching the huns with Woods, then Goram and then Klos while we had a variety mongos and donkeys between the sticks hurt and i've loved having Boruc here. It just so happens that we appear to have the two best keepers Celtic have had for thirty years at the club at the same time.

What would i rather have now in my team? Boruc or an on form Hartson, Sutton or Viduka then i would go with a good quality striker every time. Because the difference between Zaluska and Boruc might cost us 2 or 3 goals a season but between goals scored and created between Sutton and samaras would be about 30.

I guess what i'm trying to say is if you look at it without emotion it is the logical thing to do.

If you care more about the balance sheet than the team sheet then aye.

We are debt free, there is no need to balance the books.

Originally Posted by Ghod

We need to improve and move forward, what we don't need is more downsizing.

Boruc is worth his weight in gold to us and has proven this over and over again.

He is probably our best player.

Why does a club with a turnover better than 80% of EPL clubs need to sell their best players in order to build a team?

Those figure don't include the TV revenues that they get which is revenue that costs them nothing to get.

Since MON came here our wagebill has almost halved while the average in the EPL has doubled. Like it or loathe it Ghod we are a selling club.

Originally Posted by Ghod

If you care more about the balance sheet than the team sheet then aye.

We are debt free, there is no need to balance the books.

Why stick ourselves back in debt? That doesn't make any sense. Why don't we just spend what we have? Especially during a recession. At some stage in the not to distant future the EPL bubble will burst and it will be the financially well run clubs that will be dominant in football. Then Celtic will return to being a powerful force.

I made it quite clear in my other posts that selling him would be purely to improve the overall team.

Originally Posted by SwoopingVulture

Why stick ourselves back in debt? That doesn't make any sense. Why don't we just spend what we have? Especially during a recession. At some stage in the not to distant future the EPL bubble will burst and it will be the financially well run clubs that will be dominant in football. Then Celtic will return to being a powerful force.

I made it quite clear in my other posts that selling him would be purely to improve the overall team.

Why sell our best player? That doesn't make any sense, especially when it is painfully clear for Celtic fans that the team needs a mass overhaul and Mowbray is attempting to build a team, we need to keep a hold of our best players in order to do this. We cannot compete in Europe, how much more money do you think we would make if we were in Europe after Christmas? and do you think Boruc would help us achieve this?

Not ambition at all for fuck sake.

The only players who should stay are Boruc Hinkel Fox McGeady Maloney McCourt Zaluska Zhi and N'Guemo. The rest are shite and not good enough for Celtic.

Most clubs operate with a small level of debt.

We don't have any debt so the books don't need to be balanced.

People like you see Celtic as a business rather than a football club, i find this quite sad.

The money is there but the board refuse to spend it, no need to sell.

Originally Posted by Ghod

Why sell our best player? That doesn't make any sense, especially when it is painfully clear for Celtic fans that the team needs a mass overhaul and Mowbray is attempting to build a team, we need to keep a hold of our best players in order to do this. We cannot compete in Europe, how much more money do you think we would make if we were in Europe after Christmas? and do you think Boruc would help us achieve this?

Not ambition at all for fuck sake.

The only players who should stay are Boruc Hinkel Fox McGeady Maloney McCourt Zaluska Zhi and N'Guemo. The rest are shite and not good enough for Celtic.

Most clubs operate with a small level of debt.

We don't have any debt so the books don't need to be balanced.

People like you see Celtic as a business rather than a football club, i find this quite sad.

The money is there but the board refuse to spend it, no need to sell.

I agree that we need a lot of players in, but if we went with who you would keep the players we get rid of would not raise enough money to bring in anybody decent. We need to sell someone of value to have enough cash to really bring in some quality.

I don't think, as i have explained earlier, that Boruc is a huge amount better than Zaluska. That the money we could get for him could bring in a couple of quality strikers that would help us far more getting further in Europe than having two good goalkeepers.

Even if you have no debt you still have to balance your books. It took us seven years of reducing our wage bill and spending fuck all after MON's big transfer spurge. I'd rather we always had a bit of money to spend every summer than spending a shedload one summer and then nothing for half a decade.

As for seeing Celtic as a business, i just view it with reality in mind. The idea of selling him is purely based on improving the overall team.

I take on board the point that we probably have better cover in the goalkeeping position than we do in the outfield and that Boruc would probably command the highest fee. So I think Swoop has a fair point about selling Boruc possibly being beneficial to the team.

That said, I would prefer Artur stayed. He has been vital for us in his time here. He is the only top drawer player we have and given how much he had done for us in previous season I was happy to bear with him through his difficult spell last year. I don't want us to sell the one player we have who is world class in his position.

For me the problem is the board. It is beyond me why we are unable, when we have apparently never been financially stronger, to sell a few duds and add £8m to what we rake in. If we could spend £10m well it would surely guarantee us the league. Then we get in to the CL and recoup that money. I know there is some element of risk but surely in any business the old adage is true about speculating to accumulate.

The lack of ambition to upon up a gap on the huns when they are on their knees is pretty strange imo. They must know that it wouldn't take much to make us superior to them in every dept and ensure the league.

No fucking way. The very fact someone is saying this is blasphemy in my opinion.

We should sell Brown, McDonald and McManus though; that would raise between 12 and 15 million. Remember TM did not spend all his funds in the summer, or PL stuck a spoke in the works mores to the point, so we should already have a few million at our disposal.

No way should we even consider selling our best and most influential player, the thought just send shivers down my spine. Some Celtic fans really puzzle me, how long have we waited for a keeper of this quality? And now someone wants to punt him, ffs get real man.

Originally Posted by SwoopingVulture

That is the financial position we are in. We have to balance the books. Mowbray has said that himself. We aren't Man City.

Not for one minute have I heard one Celtic fans call for us to spend over £100million. That is just silly, everyone knows Man City are the exception in world football as things stand.

Originally Posted by SwoopingVulture

Those figure don't include the TV revenues that they get which is revenue that costs them nothing to get.

Since MON came here our wagebill has almost halved while the average in the EPL has doubled. Like it or loathe it Ghod we are a selling club.

Celtic are not a selling club. We have only sold Stan Petrov in recent years. I don't know where you get this from.

Originally Posted by SwoopingVulture

Why stick ourselves back in debt? That doesn't make any sense. Why don't we just spend what we have? Especially during a recession. At some stage in the not to distant future the EPL bubble will burst and it will be the financially well run clubs that will be dominant in football. Then Celtic will return to being a powerful force.

I made it quite clear in my other posts that selling him would be purely to improve the overall team.

Well it makes sense to be in debt, is there any other club in Scotland or England who is not in debt? It is a pointless exercise being debt free, it may get PL his bonus but it does not bring silverwear to Paradise.

And again, I fail to see how selling our best player will make us a better team - there is no logic in that.

Originally Posted by SwoopingVulture

I agree that we need a lot of players in, but if we went with who you would keep the players we get rid of would not raise enough money to bring in anybody decent. We need to sell someone of value to have enough cash to really bring in some quality.

I don't think, as i have explained earlier, that Boruc is a huge amount better than Zaluska. That the money we could get for him could bring in a couple of quality strikers that would help us far more getting further in Europe than having two good goalkeepers.

Even if you have no debt you still have to balance your books. It took us seven years of reducing our wage bill and spending fuck all after MON's big transfer spurge. I'd rather we always had a bit of money to spend every summer than spending a shedload one summer and then nothing for half a decade.

As for seeing Celtic as a business, i just view it with reality in mind. The idea of selling him is purely based on improving the overall team.

Disagreed, if i had 2 keepers on my books that were similar standard then i would agree with you probably. If similar standard then we would be able to sell each of them for large amounts would we not? Even then i would look at the rest of my squad and see other players who would be sellable and there are plyers in the current team who fit this description for example Scott Brown.