Thread: To those who want to sing rebel songs at games

Originally Posted by Minty

We are not a team of Irish republican origin. We are a club with an Irish social identity with the aim of bridging the culture gap between the Irish immigrants in Glasgow and the local Scots. That's what makes us a special club and it has nothing to do with Irish republicanism in my opinion.

Also, there are even more of our supporters who are not of Irish republican origin.

Celtic are of Irish republican Origin, this seen when Michael Davitt laid a Donegal sod of turf in Celtic park's pitch. We represent (or atleast we use to) the Irish immigrants and anyone who wants to support this and the team. Most supporters would be of Irish descent by the way, if not 100 years ago, then 3000 years ago and many in between

Originally Posted by RafaelScheidt

Celtic are of Irish republican Origin, this seen when Michael Davitt laid a Donegal sod of turf in Celtic park's pitch. We represent (or atleast we use to) the Irish immigrants and anyone who wants to support this and the team. Most supporters would be of Irish descent by the way, if not 100 years ago, then 3000 years ago and many in between

Do you think that, when Davitt laid the Donegal sod of turf, he was thinking that Celtic was being founded as a vehicle to convey Irish republicanism?

Yes, a lot of non-Irish supporters have Irish ancestry, but there are still more Scottish supporters than anything else.

Originally Posted by Minty

The silence from a lot of people who say they want to sing the rebs is deafening. I've yet to see a decent reasons as to why we should sing the rebel songs.

The songs being sung in the past doesn't justify the singing of them now.

The fact that the club has Irish roots doesn't justify the singing of politically motivated songs.

The rebel songs are not about the heritage of the club.

The fact that they create an atmosphere doesn't justify singing them.

To Buzzbhoy, I have no problem with singing non football related songs, that's why I'd sing YNWA. I just don't think we should sing politically motivated songs.

They are about the heritage of the people who support the club. I mean the majority of Scottish Celtic fans are from Irish descent and a huge bulk of our fan base come from the Irish community in the west coast of Scotland. The Irish built our club, built our ground with their bare hands created and formed our club!

The Irish connection is what has made us the club we are today and the reason for our world wide fan base. These songs represent the cultural aspect of our club and fan base. These songs are folk songs sung by generations of Celtic fans Irish people in general. Not only in Ireland, but the Irish diaspora all across the world that were forced to flee their country due to British genocide.

Now, if you don't want to sing Irish folk songs about events Irish history then thats fine, you don't need to. But you should understand that your fellow fans wish to continue celebrating their Irish roots at games, just like we do when we sing the fields of Athenry... Let the People Sing... This Land Is your land...soldiers song. The list goes on, the reason for Tricolour flags at games is another demonstration of the Irish aspect of Celtic football club and indeed the tricolour that flies above our stadium and has done since given to us as a gift from the Irish free state government by Eamon De Valera.

Irish folk songs are Celtic anthems, sung by the support at games, songs like boys of the old brigade and roll of honour are Irish folk songs. What is the difference between Flower of Scotland and Boys of the old Brigade? Both are rebel songs, both are songs about rebellion and patriotism. Both songs are about fighting for freedom and liberation of their respective countries. Would you ask 50 thousand Scotland fans to justify singing flower of Scotland at hampden when Scotland play? In fact, would you even ask people singing them beside at games to justify themselves to you? No i don't think so. Why do you feel the need to come on here and ask us in a patronising and insulting manner for justification of singing Rebel songs?

Don't sing them if you don't want to but don't question other peoples right to. Start a Celtic song instead, if you can't deal with the Irish connotations of our club and support then that is sad. We don't have to justify singing Irish rebel and folk songs to you, or anyone for that matter. Nor do Barcelona for singing the Catalan national anthem before games. ffs its where we came from, our Irish connection and the celebration of Irish roots by our fans is demonstrated by our actions as fans since the inception of Celtic. The reason why we have the most game attending football supporters in Ireland, the reason why we have at least one supporters club in every single county on the Island, the reason we are a unique and global institution compared to other Scottish clubs, do you see a pattern emerging here?

Why should we have to justify singing these songs to you or anyone for that matter?

Do you understand why they are sung? If so then what the fuck is your problem? Find another club to support, a solely Scottish club with no political, cultural Irish connotations or connections if you feel that strongly about it. Because tbh, our fan base is not going to be diluted and de politicised any time soon. The Irishness of our supporters is not going to some how disappear over night because you don't like it? Ok? They may make you feel silly but they don't make me feel silly, so i will sing them if i fucking want ok? You are perfectly entitled to start another Celtic song off and i may well join in with you if i feel like it, maybe you could start off Flower of Scotland and bring a Scotland flag? Start singing flower of Scotland and id join in with you? We could stand beside each other as Celtic fans, me with my tricolour and you with your St Andrews Cross?

Celtic.

Scotland - Ireland it is what we are, and the reason for our global fan base.

Originally Posted by Ghod

They are about the heritage of the people who support the club. I mean the majority of Scottish Celtic fans are from Irish descent and a huge bulk of our fan base come from the Irish community in the west coast of Scotland. The Irish built our club, built our ground with their bare hands created and formed our club!

First of all, I'm sorry if I've came across as patronising, condescending or insulting. That wasn't my intention.

Secondly, that still doesn't mean that these songs have to be sung in a Scottish football ground where republican politics have nothing to do with the country you're in.

The Irish connection is what has made us the club we are today and the reason for our world wide fan base. These songs represent the cultural aspect of our club and fan base. These songs are folk songs sung by generations of Celtic fans Irish people in general. Not only in Ireland, but the Irish diaspora all across the world that were forced to flee their country due to British genocide.

I'd say the success of the club has more to do with us having a world wide fan base.

Now, if you don't want to sing Irish folk songs about events Irish history then thats fine, you don't need to. But you should understand that your fellow fans wish to continue celebrating their Irish roots at games, just like we do when we sing the fields of Athenry... Let the People Sing... This Land Is your land...soldiers song. The list goes on, the reason for Tricolour flags at games is another demonstration of the Irish aspect of Celtic football club and indeed the tricolour that flies above our stadium and has done since given to us as a gift from the Irish free state government by Eamon De Valera.

Irish folk songs are Celtic anthems, sung by the support at games, songs like boys of the old brigade and roll of honour are Irish folk songs. What is the difference between Flower of Scotland and Boys of the old Brigade? Both are rebel songs, both are songs about rebellion and patriotism. Both songs are about fighting for freedom and liberation of their respective countries. Would you ask 50 thousand Scotland fans to justify singing flower of Scotland at hampden when Scotland play? In fact, would you even ask people singing them beside at games to justify themselves to you? No i don't think so. Why do you feel the need to come on here and ask us in a patronising and insulting manner for justification of singing Rebel songs?

No, I'd rather watch the game than spend 90 minutes questioning people.

Don't sing them if you don't want to but don't question other peoples right to. Start a Celtic song instead, if you can't deal with the Irish connotations of our club and support then that is sad. We don't have to justify singing Irish rebel and folk songs to you, or anyone for that matter. Nor do Barcelona for singing the Catalan national anthem before games. ffs its where we came from, our Irish connection and the celebration of Irish roots by our fans is demonstrated by our actions as fans since the inception of Celtic. The reason why we have the most game attending football supporters in Ireland, the reason why we have at least one supporters club in every single county on the Island, the reason we are a unique and global institution compared to other Scottish clubs, do you see a pattern emerging here?

Still doesn't justify singing Irish political songs in Scotland.

Why should we have to justify singing these songs to you or anyone for that matter?

I asked for people's opinion, there's nothing wrong with that. I thank you for your response but the lack of response from others says a lot.

Do you understand why they are sung? If so then what the fuck is your problem? Find another club to support, a solely Scottish club with no political, cultural Irish connotations or connections if you feel that strongly about it. Because tbh, our fan base is not going to be diluted and de politicised any time soon. The Irishness of our supporters is not going to some how disappear over night because you don't like it? Ok? They may make you feel silly but they don't make me feel silly, so i will sing them if i fucking want ok? You are perfectly entitled to start another Celtic song off and i may well join in with you if i feel like it, maybe you could start off Flower of Scotland and bring a Scotland flag? Start singing flower of Scotland and id join in with you? We could stand beside each other as Celtic fans, me with my tricolour and you with your St Andrews Cross?

I've never said that I have a problem with the Irish connection and I'm happy that it's celebrated. I just don't think that politically motivated songs should divide us in the way they can/do so it isn't wise to sing them in my opinion.

I don't see the point of singing Flower Of Scotland at Celtic games, however I would like to see more Saltires (green if they need to be).

i love listening and singing the rebels! always have and always will till the day i die! i have never sung them at the football though! why? im not too sure maybe then i thought there was a time and place for it. now? im 50-50 on it all. its good to listen to people like ghod,clagan etc on here trying to tell you the reasons why. and cos of this i have picked up a lot more on this debate. so now! maybe i will do it next time but it takes a little time to change something you are used to doing. so like i said im 50-50 on it now.the history of it all is so amazing and makes you even more prouder to be a celtic man with great people over there in ireland too. and this is one of the reasons why scottish and irish get on so great.

Originally Posted by Ghod

They are about the heritage of the people who support the club. I mean the majority of Scottish Celtic fans are from Irish descent and a huge bulk of our fan base come from the Irish community in the west coast of Scotland. The Irish built our club, built our ground with their bare hands created and formed our club!

The Irish connection is what has made us the club we are today and the reason for our world wide fan base. These songs represent the cultural aspect of our club and fan base. These songs are folk songs sung by generations of Celtic fans Irish people in general. Not only in Ireland, but the Irish diaspora all across the world that were forced to flee their country due to British genocide.

Now, if you don't want to sing Irish folk songs about events Irish history then thats fine, you don't need to. But you should understand that your fellow fans wish to continue celebrating their Irish roots at games, just like we do when we sing the fields of Athenry... Let the People Sing... This Land Is your land...soldiers song. The list goes on, the reason for Tricolour flags at games is another demonstration of the Irish aspect of Celtic football club and indeed the tricolour that flies above our stadium and has done since given to us as a gift from the Irish free state government by Eamon De Valera.

Irish folk songs are Celtic anthems, sung by the support at games, songs like boys of the old brigade and roll of honour are Irish folk songs. What is the difference between Flower of Scotland and Boys of the old Brigade? Both are rebel songs, both are songs about rebellion and patriotism. Both songs are about fighting for freedom and liberation of their respective countries. Would you ask 50 thousand Scotland fans to justify singing flower of Scotland at hampden when Scotland play? In fact, would you even ask people singing them beside at games to justify themselves to you? No i don't think so. Why do you feel the need to come on here and ask us in a patronising and insulting manner for justification of singing Rebel songs?

Don't sing them if you don't want to but don't question other peoples right to. Start a Celtic song instead, if you can't deal with the Irish connotations of our club and support then that is sad. We don't have to justify singing Irish rebel and folk songs to you, or anyone for that matter. Nor do Barcelona for singing the Catalan national anthem before games. ffs its where we came from, our Irish connection and the celebration of Irish roots by our fans is demonstrated by our actions as fans since the inception of Celtic. The reason why we have the most game attending football supporters in Ireland, the reason why we have at least one supporters club in every single county on the Island, the reason we are a unique and global institution compared to other Scottish clubs, do you see a pattern emerging here?

Why should we have to justify singing these songs to you or anyone for that matter?

Do you understand why they are sung? If so then what the fuck is your problem? Find another club to support, a solely Scottish club with no political, cultural Irish connotations or connections if you feel that strongly about it. Because tbh, our fan base is not going to be diluted and de politicised any time soon. The Irishness of our supporters is not going to some how disappear over night because you don't like it? Ok? They may make you feel silly but they don't make me feel silly, so i will sing them if i fucking want ok? You are perfectly entitled to start another Celtic song off and i may well join in with you if i feel like it, maybe you could start off Flower of Scotland and bring a Scotland flag? Start singing flower of Scotland and id join in with you? We could stand beside each other as Celtic fans, me with my tricolour and you with your St Andrews Cross?

Celtic.

Scotland - Ireland it is what we are, and the reason for our global fan base.

impressive mate! i enjoyed reading this and a lot of good points too!:clapp: