Thread: a settled team?

I'm not sure I agree with the partnerships you've chosen but I agree with the sentiment behind your post.

Once the players that are injured come back and we have a full squad to choose from, I too would like to see Mowbray get a settled, consistent line-up on the park.

It's too early to say mate, players will be coming in this week.

The only partnership I am happy to go with is Ki and N'Guemo. I want another Centre Back in and a Striker. I wouldn't be happy to go with what we have at the back or up front.

Originally Posted by clagan

thompsons fucking murder harry

Very true. McManus and Caldwell were much safer than him and O'Dea.

Originally Posted by Ellboy

Last night was no shocker, not easy I know but I think we need to look past immediate results and look at the bigger picture.

It has been obvious that we were in need of an overhaul. If we we're on top of the league then to do it now would have been a gamble. The fact is the players were not good enough last season or in the first half of this to take us to the title.

IMO no better time like the present to get rid of so many underperforming players. Better to start building for next season now than wait till the summer.

I think most of us can agree, that we needed to rid ourselves of so much deadwood and bring in new players?

A dose of realism is required. With so many much needed new players how can we expect them to Gel from the off?

Once the team has settled and we see a consistency of team selection. Then that will be the time to judge Tony Mowbray. We all want the here and now but that's an unrealistic expectation IMO.

Last night we had a young and vastly inexperienced back four, who between them have hardly kicked a ball this season. I don’t think anyone could believe TM would have picked them out of choice?

When fit I see Hooiveld, Loovens(new CB) Brown, Maloney, Ki, N'Guemo and Rasmussen all being first choice. That's upwards of 6 changes from last night.
This is the start of a new era and hopefully it will be a successful one. It's unlikely that success will come this season as if we are realistic we can't expect this new group of players to hit it off immediately. Patience is required not something anyone wants to hear but all good things come to those who wait.

All pulling in the one direction believing in TM's philosophy and in turn believing the new players will deliver his vision. Has to be the quickest way forward. Booing young inexperienced players or new talent can only have a negative effect. This is an important time to get behind the team, the quicker they settle the quicker we are likely to see improvement and consistency of results.

Tin hat on but one of the major problems is Aiden McGeady, as he is the focal point of the team. I have never seen a player to enjoy so much possession and to get himself into so many dangerous positions then to deliver so little. If only he had a better end product then the boy would be a world beater. Unfortunately without that vial quality he's nothing more than a tanner ball player.

Would like to see him have a wee spell on the bench. Maybe play with Sammy on the left, Fortune on the right and Rasmussen up front leading the line. That would allow us to play three in midfield N'Guemo, Crosas and Ki.


.......Crosas..N'Guemo

................Ki
Fortune...............Samaras

..........Rasmussen

Having settled partnerships I agree would be ideal. Not sure who will be our CB pairing, as I think we might see another CB being brought to the club. I think further forward with the players we have currently it's more about flexibility and movement rather than rigid partnerships. Only Crosas and N'Guemo have been rigid to their positions. When they play their discipline and ability to play their positions properly gave us a base for the rest of our play. As soon as they are reinstated in the middle of the park then the sooner we will see consistent results.

Good post Ellboy. I really like your idea of the 4-3-3. We need to sign a pacy Full Back on the Left for this to happen and at least another CD. We can't comment on Rasmussen either but we've got McDonald I suppose.

What I would say is that we should never have let the players go and gave up on the title until the end of the season while adding new players to the squad. I don't care what you say but the chuckle brothers are miles ahead of O'Dea and Thompson. It's no time to be throwing a boy like that in when only 4 points behind the leaders. Loovens should have been shown the door first anyway.

Last thing we wanted was to gift the huns another 10 million to keep them going and attract a takeover.

Originally Posted by Ellboy

Do you think O'Dea and Thompson are Mogga's first choice?

What makes you think keeping the players we let go would have won us the title?

Caldwell wasn't going to turn down 25k a week so he was always going to move this window. Mick is a left sided CB so is Hooiveld, having 20k in wages sitting on the bench makes no sense. If he goes and Fox also then a new RCB will be brought in.

I think we have to move on Metro and timing more than anything else dictated Caldwell's and Robson's departure. Patience is the word lets see who our CB pairing is come the 1st of Feb before rushing to judgement.

They are his first choice now the chuckle brothers are out other than Loovens who is just as bad! Nobody's seen the new guy who can't be near fit or would be playing.

Cadwell was our player until the Summer. It was our choice to let him go. We may or may not have won last night with Caldwell, Robson instead of ZZ, etc but I'm not so sure Hibs would have fancied their chances as much facing a more experienced Celtic team.

Of course we have to move on but all these changes weren't need over night lol. I think the manager and fans should have been more patient with what we had adding the odd player as we go along.

Just heard that we've had an offer agreed with Hearts for Lee Wallace so here's hoping we have a decent pacy LB for the first time since......ever!

Originally Posted by clagan

what partnerships would you go for?

It's difficult to say at the moment because there's players I haven't seen and there are injuries.

If we were playing 4-4-2 on Saturday and everyone was fit I'd probably try these.......

Loovens-----Hooiveld

Crosas-----N'Guemo

Fortune'e-----Rasmussen

Originally Posted by CelticInMySoul

It's difficult to say at the moment because there's players I haven't seen and there are injuries.

If we were playing 4-4-2 on Saturday and everyone was fit I'd probably try these.......

Loovens-----Hooiveld

Crosas-----N'Guemo

Fortune'e-----Rasmussen

McDonald would also be an option as he is back in training. Can't believe Looven is a first choice now

Originally Posted by Ellboy

Much better to do it gradually I agree, just not convinced that was an option for Mogga. It looks like he had to raise funds to finance player purchases. Caldwell unlikely to sign a contract then 1 million for him couldn't be ignored. Perhaps selling him before a ready made replacement was sort, was bad management. However I think Mogga is looking at the longer term than to make a quick fix. Same applies to Robson, although I think his appearances would have been limited with Ki's arrival and both Brown and Maloney's return to fitness.

As I said much better to move players on when you have ready made replacements. Either returning from injury or being brought into the club. The timing of players leaving the club could have been better but ultimately finances would have dictated.

As for Lee Wallace I like him he’s a big improvement for LB. Would prefer to see some experienced players instead of young talent though. Again I suppose finances wont stretch to buying such experienced professionals so the Wallaces of the game are our limit.

This is the board again then Ellboy lol. They grudge letting Caldwell go for nothing so much that they take 1 million for him leaving us with a couple of youngsters to get us results. Surely not

Originally Posted by Ellboy

Last night was no shocker, not easy I know but I think we need to look past immediate results and look at the bigger picture.

It has been obvious that we were in need of an overhaul. If we we're on top of the league then to do it now would have been a gamble. The fact is the players were not good enough last season or in the first half of this to take us to the title.

IMO no better time like the present to get rid of so many underperforming players. Better to start building for next season now than wait till the summer.

I think most of us can agree, that we needed to rid ourselves of so much deadwood and bring in new players?

A dose of realism is required. With so many much needed new players how can we expect them to Gel from the off?

Once the team has settled and we see a consistency of team selection. Then that will be the time to judge Tony Mowbray. We all want the here and now but that's an unrealistic expectation IMO.

Last night we had a young and vastly inexperienced back four, who between them have hardly kicked a ball this season. I don’t think anyone could believe TM would have picked them out of choice?

When fit I see Hooiveld, Loovens(new CB) Brown, Maloney, Ki, N'Guemo and Rasmussen all being first choice. That's upwards of 6 changes from last night.
This is the start of a new era and hopefully it will be a successful one. It's unlikely that success will come this season as if we are realistic we can't expect this new group of players to hit it off immediately. Patience is required not something anyone wants to hear but all good things come to those who wait.

All pulling in the one direction believing in TM's philosophy and in turn believing the new players will deliver his vision. Has to be the quickest way forward. Booing young inexperienced players or new talent can only have a negative effect. This is an important time to get behind the team, the quicker they settle the quicker we are likely to see improvement and consistency of results.

Tin hat on but one of the major problems is Aiden McGeady, as he is the focal point of the team. I have never seen a player to enjoy so much possession and to get himself into so many dangerous positions then to deliver so little. If only he had a better end product then the boy would be a world beater. Unfortunately without that vial quality he's nothing more than a tanner ball player.

Would like to see him have a wee spell on the bench. Maybe play with Sammy on the left, Fortune on the right and Rasmussen up front leading the line. That would allow us to play three in midfield N'Guemo, Crosas and Ki.


.......Crosas..N'Guemo

................Ki
Fortune...............Samaras

..........Rasmussen

Having settled partnerships I agree would be ideal. Not sure who will be our CB pairing, as I think we might see another CB being brought to the club. I think further forward with the players we have currently it's more about flexibility and movement rather than rigid partnerships. Only Crosas and N'Guemo have been rigid to their positions. When they play their discipline and ability to play their positions properly gave us a base for the rest of our play. As soon as they are reinstated in the middle of the park then the sooner we will see consistent results.

Good post mate. I agree with most of that.

Nice to see someone who can keep their head when all around him are losing theirs. I hope Mogga can do the same!