Thread: Salmond betrays Scottish independence for Queen's united kingdoms

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5aawSdrCMk

Peter Dow says Salmond betrays Scottish independence for Queen's united kingdoms (YouTube)

On the 25th February 2010, Queen Elizabeth's First Minister Alex Salmond presented a paper entitled "Scotland’s Future: Draft Referendum (Scotland) Bill Consultation" and I quote -

Originally Posted by Salmond's publication - Scotland's Future

Scotland’s Future: Draft Referendum (Scotland) Bill Consultation

1.19. Her Majesty The Queen would remain as Head of State. The current parliamentary and political Union of Great Britain and Northern Ireland would become a monarchical and social Union – united kingdoms rather than a United Kingdom – maintaining a relationship forged in 1603 by the Union of the Crowns.

So there is Salmond's approach printed in black and white in his own paper - he intends to deny the Scots the sovereign right of an independent nation to elect our own head of state, he intends the head of state and the Scottish sovereign to be Queen Elizabeth and the reality is Salmond opposes the sovereignty of the Scottish people, preferring the sovereignty of the Queen.

But then Salmond tells his big lie when presenting that publication which surrenders sovereignty to the Queen when he lied to us all -

Originally Posted by The transcript of the lie that Salmond told

but the important principle that underlies the approach of the SNP government and indeed the approach in this paper is of course the principle of our belief in the sovereignty of the Scottish people

Salmond SAYS the approach of his paper supports the sovereignty of the Scottish people but the truth is the exact opposite - Salmond's paper's approach actually surrenders sovereignty to the Queen and to the "United Kingdoms" and the Union of the Crowns.

This man Salmond is a bare faced LIAR who has betrayed the Scots to his Queen and goodness knows why ANY Scot believes a word out of his mouth.

Salmond's treachery does not end there. Even the ballot paper he proposes is rigged to stop Scots voting simply for Scottish national independence without risking the appearance of agreeing to retain the Queen.



Never have the Scots been confronted with such a devious traitor as Alex Salmond.

The sovereignty of the Scottish people will be asserted when we Scots are allowed to elect our own head of state, a president of a Scottish republic and when our good president defends the sovereign rights and freedoms of the Scots to speak out, to protest and to govern ourselves democratically in a free country, with ALL Scots as part of the government and with no monarch as head of state. Only then will we have the sovereignty of the Scottish people truly respected.

There is no route to Scottish independence which includes following this traitor Salmond or supporting his referendum plan. Salmond's plan is a dead end which keeps the Scots in slavery under the brutal rule of the Queen's United Kingdoms.

The true route to Scottish national independence is to oust the Queen by banning her and the Windsor royal family from Scotland and to enforce that ban by any means necessary.


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Is the Scottish National Party a centre-left nationalist political party committed to Scottish Independence?

It seems to me this leadership of Mr Salmond raises a question and discussion point about the appropriate description of the "Scottish National Party" - and that "a centre-left nationalist political party committed to Scottish Independence" is, shall we say, "generous".

The thing is monarchy is a right-wing idea. So a party with a pro-monarchist policy platform, it seems to me, needs to have its self-descriptions, where it describes itself as something other than a right-wing monarchist party taken with a pinch of salt, or something.

It seems to me there are two approaches to analysing this question.

Approach 1.

Assume that the self-description of the party, what the party says about itself in its party name, in its party constitution

- in the case of the SNP, (a) that the party is a Scottish nationalist party (b) that it is left of centre, left-leaning and so on,

- in the case of the British Labour Party (a) that the party represents the interest of Labour, trade unions and the workers (b) it is a democratic socialist party

are fair; assume that those self-descriptions are true and correct.

In which case when the party leaders or documents lead in a pro-monarchist direction absolutely contradicting the core true values of the party, as they do, then those leaders do not speak for their parties, their leadership is UNCONSTITUTIONAL and ILLEGITIMATE as far as the party is concerned.

Approach 2.

Assume that when the party leaders and documents lead in a pro-monarchist direction that this direction is the true core value of the party. The party is in fact whatever the leader says it is.

In which case the party name, the party constitution and so on are meaningless. The SNP or Labour stand for whatever the leader SAYS it stands for - and if the leader supports the right-wing idea of monarchy then the party is a right-wing monarchist party.

However mostly I don't think people DO analyse such contradictions in party leaders and party declared "principles". They just watch the story on TV then they watch the next story on TV. It all kind of washes over people.

Not only is monarchy right-wing it is also against national independence - since an independent nation elects its own head of state and is not TOLD who its head of state is.

Also in opposing the true independence of the Scottish nation, by going along with the subjugation and enslavement of the Scots to the imposed head of state, Queen Elizabeth, and that being very much against the interests of the nation, the SNP royalist leaders certainly and possibly also the party (depending on which of the two above analysis approaches one takes) ARE NOT THEREFORE "NATIONALISTS" BUT TRAITORS AGAINST THE NATION!

(If you are curious yes I was a Celtic supporter when in 1967, the Lisbon Lions won but I don't follow football really these days and if you think that Celtic impressed Europe in 1967 just wait until we Scots kick the Queen off the park and out of Scotland! )

Alex Salmon wanks dugs ,the guy is an idiot so was Jack McConnel oh and so is Nicola Sturgeon (fuck is that on her head aswell?)

Originally Posted by Jamesy

As far as I was aware he was saying that before the election.

He was.

its not really a big deal, she really has no say in modern society, and as much as he proposes she be "head of state" that means sweet fuck all- she is the queen of england, I am Scottish, screw you queenie!

Intresting thread! Fuck the queen!

Came across this guy the other day in this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhsJoQDAWpM

It is part of a bigger documentary called the new ten commandments but I can't seem to find it anywhere. Maybe the thread starter could poiint me in the right direction?

Heres what I'm looking for if anyone can help

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_Ten_Commandments

Originally Posted by Jamesy

As far as I was aware he was saying that before the election.

Oh Salmond in the long tradition of previous SNP leaders, has long taken the good idea of Scottish national independence and mangled and distorted it using the forked tongue language of "parliamentary democracy within a constitutional monarchy" nonsense that is the orthodoxy for UK and other Queen's realm parliamentarians.

Salmond has been loyal to his Queen before and after every election he has ever fought. He has always lied about supporting the sovereignty of the Scottish people.

There is nothing new in what Salmond is saying. He has always been a traitor to true Scottish national independence and he has always tried to sell the Scots a fraudulent royalist version of "independence" which in truth is just more dependence on the Queen.

Same old Salmond right enough.

Originally Posted by angiebowie

He was.

its not really a big deal, she really has no say in modern society, and as much as he proposes she be "head of state" that means sweet fuck all- she is the queen of england, I am Scottish, screw you queenie!

Well the deal with the Queen is that we are not allowed a republic, we don't get to elect a president and we don't get any constitutional rights worthy of the name upheld by anyone.

The deal is we are subjects who the Queen's state can arrest, fine or jail at the whim of the Queen's police and judges.

The deal is when the Queen's police under legislation she has given royal assent to give a firearms certificate to a madman like Thomas Hamilton there was little that concerned Scots could do to raise the alarm.

The deal was that we didn't and don't have a free press to alert the public to real danger-men without the threat of a defamation action hanging over the paper.

The deal is that Scots die unnecessarily from many avoidable disasters and murders that could have been prevented if we Scots had had a republic, a president, constitutional rights and the freedom we need to defend ourselves from dangers.

Retaining the Queen is not a good deal for us Scots.

Here are a few links to my website explaining this in a bit more detail.

The freedom denied to the Scots by this Queen. The Constitution from Hell!
http://scot.tk/freedomsdenied.htm

Dunblane Primary School Massacre Inquiry Cover-up Revealed
http://scot.tk/dunblane.htm

The Royal Disasters - The Terrorist Killer Queen
http://scot.tk/queensroyaldisasters.htm

Originally Posted by BUD

Intresting thread! Fuck the queen!

Came across this guy the other day in this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhsJoQDAWpM

It is part of a bigger documentary called the new ten commandments but I can't seem to find it anywhere. Maybe the thread starter could poiint me in the right direction?

Heres what I'm looking for if anyone can help

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_Ten_Commandments

The complete 100 minute documentary is available on a DVD.

The 10 film chapters of The New Ten Commandments
1. The Right to Freedom of Assembly - Director, David Graham Scott (That's the 10-minute chapter I star in! )
2. The Right not to be enslaved - Director, Nick Higgins
3. The Right to a fair trial - Director, Sana Bilgrami
4. The Right to freedom of expression - Director, Doug Aubrey
5. The Right to life - Director, Kenny Glenaan
6. The Right to liberty - Directors, Irvine Welsh & Mark Cousins
7. The Right not to be tortured - Director, Douglas Gordon
8. The Right to asylum - Director, Anna Jones
9. The Right to privacy - Director, Alice Nelson
10. The Right to freedom of thought - Directors, Mark Cousins & Tilda Swinton

The link to Lansdowne productions from the Wikipedia article takes you to a page which has this line in it.

For dvd sales and enquiries please email: info@lansdowneproductions.co.uk

So I guess you could email them to see if they can supply it on DVD?

I have not heard of any plan to rebroadcast it on TV unfortunately. Maybe they will one day?

The 3 minutes 38 seconds clip of video you have posted there BUD is hosted on the YouTube channel of the director, David Graham Scott, of that 10-minute chapter of the film I was featured in.

You can see that the video David has uploaded is from the original director's cut of his 10-minute chapter of the film titled "The Right to Freedom of Assembly" because the faces of the police who escort me from the Royal Mile to Holyrood Park are not blurred out as they were in the version which was broadcast on BBC 2 Scotland in December 2008.

The 10 minute video I have uploaded to my ScottishRepublican channel on YouTube as "Scottish republican socialist Peter Dow, author and protester" is only slightly edited from the TV broadcast version. I link to this video from my signature but I can post it here as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=789SkK7uwiY

Originally Posted by Ghod

Thats pretty disgusting.

What is the alternative? The SSP?

Until all these socialist parties stop bickering between each other and work together there will never be a socialist party in charcge of Scotland

How many socialist parties is there? Its all became a bit like this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gb_qHP7VaZE

Originally Posted by Peter Dow

The complete 100 minute documentary is available on a DVD.



The link to Lansdowne productions from the Wikipedia article takes you to a page which has this line in it.


So I guess you could email them to see if they can supply it on DVD?

I have not heard of any plan to rebroadcast it on TV unfortunately. Maybe they will one day?

The 3 minutes 38 seconds clip of video you have posted there BUD is hosted on the YouTube channel of the director, David Graham Scott, of that 10-minute chapter of the film I was featured in.

Sent an e-mail there enquiring about the dvd but the site looks old and dated.

If that fails then maybe you could upload a copy of it online to share with me and any other interested parties? Surely you have your own copy?

Originally Posted by Peter Dow

Well the deal with the Queen is that we are not allowed a republic, we don't get to elect a president and we don't get any constitutional rights worthy of the name upheld by anyone.

The deal is we are subjects who the Queen's state can arrest, fine or jail at the whim of the Queen's police and judges.

The deal is when the Queen's police under legislation she has given royal assent to give a firearms certificate to a madman like Thomas Hamilton there was little that concerned Scots could do to raise the alarm.

The deal was that we didn't and don't have a free press to alert the public to real danger-men without the threat of a defamation action hanging over the paper.

The deal is that Scots die unnecessarily from many avoidable disasters and murders that could have been prevented if we Scots had had a republic, a president, constitutional rights and the freedom we need to defend ourselves from dangers.

Retaining the Queen is not a good deal for us Scots.

Here are a few links to my website explaining this in a bit more detail.

The freedom denied to the Scots by this Queen. The Constitution from Hell!
http://scot.tk/freedomsdenied.htm

Dunblane Primary School Massacre Inquiry Cover-up Revealed
http://scot.tk/dunblane.htm

The Royal Disasters - The Terrorist Killer Queen
http://scot.tk/queensroyaldisasters.htm

Im not going to lie to you, I'm a clever girl, but that sounded like a big bunch of political jargon to me.

may I ask why you have signed up to a Celtic forum and your first post is in regards to Alex Salmond?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXfRB52WuuE

Hahaha!

I've no problem with what Salmond is proposing. Small steps and all of that.

If he went for full independence 1st off then he would lose the vote, and that would be us back to square 1.

If the OP wants independence for Scotland then this is the route to follow. Salmond bashing is counter productive to his cause.


p.s.
I'm sure there are forums out there dedicated to discussing politics.

I think the proposal is about as close to full independence as we can get. Or at least as close as is winnable in a referendum.